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Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

Postby xTornOxysx » Sun Apr 16, 2017 11:16 pm

It seems to be a long standing rule when it comes to fanfiction and anything else associated with this game that each side is able to be reasoned with. That when they get what they need or want, they have no further need to fight.

In addition, I would like to briefly reference the absolute ban on anything related to the antagonists of World War Two. Duly referenced... moving on.

My question is this. Is there any reason that Mobile Frame Zero could not be more... Grimdark? By the title I'm sure many of you reading this realise I'm talking about Warhammer 40k.

The Imperium of Man has been described as 'Fascist' many times, out-of-lore of course.

I love the War40k universe with all its diverse lore for the myriad cultures and species.

The problem is that many factions fight for the sake of fighting. Or for the sake of Pain itself. Or they are fighting wars of annihilation for various justifications.

I don't necessarily want to simply 'port' a few space marines or orks directly into a Frame bay and write about their exploits (although that'd probably be hilarious) I am just wondering though if I were to write about implacable foes whose differences simply cannot be resolved through diplomacy (for whatever reason) if anyone (primarily any of the creators) would be offended.
Do such stories have a place in this universe and setting?

(One final concern, I had no idea where to put this. Mods, move at your leisure, as you will, and thank you very much)
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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

Postby Atavism » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:35 am

Having just typed out a big thing, I remembered there's a already. Hope it helps, though I think the answer is basically "not really." (Also you'll have to read around a lot of copyright stuff as it goes along, the first page or so is the most helpful and the rest of the pertinent info is scattered around.)
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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

Postby zeekhotep » Mon Apr 17, 2017 10:36 am

Well this is my take on the subject. Joshua put those rules in place for when people want to publish material under the heading of MFZ. If all you are doing is posting fan fiction to a fan forum those rules don't apply. The rules of the forum do still apply. On the forum the rule is "be nice." We do however tend to keep Joshuas rules in mind as we conduct ourselves here. I made reference to 40k in a tongue in cheek fashion when I posted about my "Ultra Fist" marines.
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So what I am saying is, I think as long as you keep the story "clean" enough that no parent will get upset about a preteen reading it you should be good.

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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

Postby xTornOxysx » Mon Apr 17, 2017 11:45 am

My thinking behind this is that people aren't always so rational as Joshua seems to describe everyone in his universe. Making, in my own personal opinion, 40k more politically believable.
Don't get me wrong please, I in no way want to belittle anyone, this is all opinions here.
Frankly, I wish I lived in Joshua's universe and not just because giant robots are a thing. I wish all these people on the highways who cut me off, I wish all these people who work at the DMV, I wish all those jerks I went to school with were so rational that they'd calm down enough to realize they don't need to be such a-holes, like all the people in this universe.

I probably won't write anything at this point. No hard feelings. :) Love playing the game, and thanks for the help guys.
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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

Postby Atavism » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:29 pm

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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

Postby Shades_Corvid » Mon Apr 17, 2017 1:43 pm

Wow, Atavism just said everything I wanted today but much better.

All I will add is you can still have small extremist sub groups or grimdark stories within Joshua's limitations.
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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

Postby xTornOxysx » Mon Apr 17, 2017 4:28 pm

Alright, I think I can get behind the basic idea of what Atavism is saying. (I'd quote you, but I couldn't chose what to include)
I think the place I was planning to take the story was not in keeping with the general flavor, but I've had another story idea kicking around inside awhile, and this might just be a decent universe to let it call home.

So I never really figured an entire culture or nation could possibly be evil. The first nation the Nazi's took over was Germany. Every side has civilians who really could not care who's in charge as long as the tax on their prize-winning peaches doesn't go up again. But what about individual evil. Maybe not even evil, but misguided or confused sense of justice that twists a person into something truly ugly, but not all at once. One of those 'he meant well' moments. Where this whole time he just won't let something go and finally you reluctantly raise your rifle... and no one cheers after he's gone. We're all just a bit more tired.
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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

Postby Roland the Barbarian » Mon Apr 17, 2017 6:32 pm

I think the most important rule, as said earlier, is that the story should be acceptable for preteens to read. The universe of MF0, I think, is rather 'noblebright' for this reason.

If you want gruesome conflict where neither side is willing to yield an inch, look no further than real life. I know plenty of people who consider certain ideologies or values incompatible with theirs to the point they consider anything short of annihilation insufficient. In each of those cases, the opposing side some has similarly unrelenting people. Pit those against each other and nastiness ensues. Plenty of people will fight for plenty of reasons, far from all of which are rational and reasonable.

The point is, you could. But why would you? The setting has a rather unique light-hearted yet serious approach to spacefaring science-fiction. I'm afraid 40k-ing MF0 would simply make it grimdark for grimdark's sake. After all, existing factions already have plenty of precedent for making rational yet empathic decisions, and you'd have to write something in keeping with established lore.
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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

Postby Shades_Corvid » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:06 pm

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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

Postby xTornOxysx » Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:39 am

Is there a place other than the official rule books that I could read some canon lore?
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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

Postby xTornOxysx » Tue Apr 18, 2017 12:21 pm

I was looking over there and didn't see anything new. I'll check again.
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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

Postby Shades_Corvid » Tue Apr 18, 2017 1:42 pm

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Re: Mobile War Frame Hammer 40,235

Postby Foghammer » Wed May 10, 2017 10:10 am

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As a huge fan of StarCraft, it took me some time to wrap my head around this idea, and I probably still haven't yet, though I really wish I did. I just don't have the intelligence and mindfulness for it because I was raised on action stories exactly like what Atavism described (anime is so good and so bad; Gundam can be hard to watch now that I'm older and care about more than explosions).

That said, I remember making a similar thread years ago where Joshua basically said that you can have a Zerg knockoff/clone, but they have to stand for something that is reasonable. If you want to have a super-powered alien race that seems hellbent on eradicating humanity, they are probably just protecting some universe-ending technology that they are certain humans will put to ill-use, but humans (being the irrational creatures that we are) insist on expanding into their territory anyway with force (we all know that's how humans do things; we are the real space orcs). They won't tell us why because knowing what they're protecting is only going to make someone fight harder to get to it, but they also aren't willing to sit idle while we stumble across it either. So they exterminate any would-be settlers coming in, war ignites, etc etc.

Hopefully I'm getting closer to the mark here than I was back then. It's a very real and relevant stance that Josh and the others take on their approach to story.
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