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Gender Pronouns in MFZ

Postby Joshua A.C. Newman » Wed Apr 30, 2014 3:15 pm

You'll note that, in MFØ materials, the singular neuter pronoun is "they", not "he." When discussing a frame, I usually use "it".
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Re: Gender Pronouns in MFZ

Postby Ced23Ric » Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:34 pm

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Re: Gender Pronouns in MFZ

Postby Joshua A.C. Newman » Wed Apr 30, 2014 4:44 pm

A frame, as an inanimate object, is "it". If you're really talking about the pilot, and you don't know who they are, it's "they". Otherwise, you refer to them with the pronoun they identify with.
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Re: Gender Pronouns in MFZ

Postby Ced23Ric » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:16 pm

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Re: Gender Pronouns in MFZ

Postby CalaveraJoe » Wed Apr 30, 2014 7:19 pm

If you want to pick bits over it, you should technically refer to people with "he or she," or "his or her," as is appropriate for the sentence whe you do not know the gender. Many RPGs elect to use a single gender for the entire text for simplicity's sake. A few will alternate male for chapter, female for the next.
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Re: Gender Pronouns in MFZ

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Re: Gender Pronouns in MFZ

Postby Joshua A.C. Newman » Thu May 01, 2014 2:09 pm

This is a particular challenge that all practitioners of the nerdly arts are facing right now. As far as MFØ goes, what I care about is that we don't normalize inherent traits, like masculinity or heterosexuality.

You'll note that there are more female characters in Rapid Attack than male (with one genderless), and that's in part because I want the game to welcome feminine players; I'm not worried about masculine ones.

Woodwardiocom, awesome. They're favoring a sexist, classist, and literally Victorian affectation over hutching Chaucer. If I have to choose a side, I'll choose the one with funnier dirty jokes.
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Re: Gender Pronouns in MFZ

Postby Foghammer » Thu May 01, 2014 5:32 pm

I ain't tryin' to rustle any jimmies here, but I feel like focusing so hard on the issue of gendered pronouns is far and away from what people should care about if they want to play a game.

I don't care if all of the pronouns are male or female, I just need to get a grasp of what's being talked about in the text; that's why I'm reading it, to know what to do.
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Re: Gender Pronouns in MFZ

Postby Ced23Ric » Thu May 01, 2014 5:59 pm

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Re: Gender Pronouns in MFZ

Postby Joshua A.C. Newman » Fri May 02, 2014 1:23 pm

Foghammer, I agree. That's why I have these principles.

Ced23Ric, "Political correctness" is a Leftist, ironic joke that is now only used by Right Wingers, who don't understand irony. Sorry to be picky here, but calling acknowledgment that robots and humans are not men "political correctness" ignores the feelings of all non-men*. I can tell that's not what you mean by it, but this isn't a matter of fitting an ideological mold. It's a matter of assuming that everyone interested in the subject matter is a person and that they're welcome to play.

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Re: Gender Pronouns in MFZ

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Re: Gender Pronouns in MFZ

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Re: Gender Pronouns in MFZ

Postby Ced23Ric » Fri May 02, 2014 4:23 pm

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Re: MFZ: Rapid Attack (Un)Official Errata and FAQ

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Re: Gender Pronouns in MFZ

Postby Joshua A.C. Newman » Fri May 02, 2014 6:39 pm

Ced23Ric, yeah, I can tell that you're not using it dismissively, and thanks for your explanation. I don't think it's ever really meant that, but I'm all for being inclusive. This is one of those stumbly points between languages where connotation has a really big impact.

You should hear me speak Italian. I'm told I sound like Jar-Jar Binks. I'm lucky if I get as far as faux pas and don't hit bizarre alien first.
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Re: Gender Pronouns in MFZ

Postby gusindor » Fri May 02, 2014 10:54 pm

A little tangential, but has good stuff to say about gender pronouns.
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