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When is a frame not a frame?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 11:41 am
by peglegpete
so there has been a lot of discussion on non-humanoid frames. my question is how divergent can you get and still have your creation be considered a frame, as opposed to just a vehicle?

for instance, my company, being from a gast giant, utilizes both winged chubs and manned, fully enclosed gliders.

would the gliders be considered frames, or planes?

from a rules standpoint, there's obviously little difference. my curiosity comes entierly fluff-based concern.

Re: When is a frame not a frame?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 1:12 pm
by C_L
'Frames have joints.

IMO, anyway.

Re: When is a frame not a frame?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 3:00 pm
by thunderclam
Yeah I think as long as frames are vaguely derived from animal body plans, such as the bipedal humanoid frames and the quadruped non-human frames, it's a frame. I mean, Hi-Legs don't have arms, so a flying frame doesn't have to either.

Re: When is a frame not a frame?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:23 pm
by XGundam05
Does it need/use muscle cylinders? Yes? Then it's a frame.

So if your gliders are ornithopters that uses muscle cylinders to drive the wings, I'd say it was a frame. Because something isn't going to use muscle cylinders unless they are best suited to the task.

Re: When is a frame not a frame?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 7:26 pm
by peglegpete
that makes the most sense so far, actually.

thanks!

Re: When is a frame not a frame?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 9:53 pm
by gatlinggouf927
XGundam05 wrote:Does it need/use muscle cylinders? Yes? Then it's a frame.

So if your gliders are ornithopters that uses muscle cylinders to drive the wings, I'd say it was a frame. Because something isn't going to use muscle cylinders unless they are best suited to the task.


As i read your sentence i thought you were going with, "if its an ornithopter with arms" which made me think of none other than...

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Re: When is a frame not a frame?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:17 pm
by XGundam05
Not to derail much, but that was one of my favorite series...

Re: When is a frame not a frame?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:09 am
by C_L
I still own the entire box set. :D

Re: When is a frame not a frame?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2013 12:41 am
by Joshua A.C. Newman
It's awful good.

Re: When is a frame not a frame?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:56 pm
by gusindor
What series?

Re: When is a frame not a frame?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 4:15 pm
by gatlinggouf927
gusindor wrote:What series?


Outlaw Star :)

Re: When is a frame not a frame?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 20, 2013 11:26 pm
by Joshua A.C. Newman
I haven't seen the whole thing yet, but what I've seen was really kinetic and unusual for something that stays within genre bounds.