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The Background Thus Far

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The Background Thus Far

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Re: The Background Thus Far

Postby Soren » Mon Mar 26, 2012 11:08 pm

This is a placeholder post to remind me that I'm not going to say anything about the setting until the book is done.
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Re: The Background Thus Far

Postby Ken » Thu Mar 29, 2012 11:41 pm

Because you know a world is dystopian and **** when you can have serious economy-wrecking currency problems caused by baking pies. -Soren
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Re: The Background Thus Far

Postby The Trilobite » Fri Mar 30, 2012 7:13 am

This is sweet. The background presented here gives lots of opportunities for story-based skirmishes, and leaves room for one's own imagination to run with the possibilities.

I prefer universes like this: with the broad picture well-defined, but without the excessive detail that makes one feel as though everything significant has already been accomplished by pre-existing characters. This strikes that balance.

And speaking of balance, there's also a nice balance in that there seem to be good, well-thought-out elements back by others that are chosen for fun. Nice!
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Re: The Background Thus Far

Postby Roger » Fri Mar 30, 2012 3:59 pm

Is there anything in canon regarding the Martian moons of Deimos and Phobos? Working on putting together a little early backstory for the squad.


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Re: The Background Thus Far

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Re: The Background Thus Far

Postby Joshua A.C. Newman » Fri Apr 13, 2012 10:41 am

I'm sure you guys would prefer for me to actually be writing the book, so I'll be Supaa brief.

Empires put a great deal of energy into their expansion. It gets harder and harder to expand but, of course, Every linear expansion of the empire brings an exponential increase in the costs. It's just not clear what those costs are. The Solar Union is a 20th century-style soft empire. The colonies don't technically have their goods stolen; they sell them to the SU. But the SU hasn't allowed them full participation, in that they're straight up poorer. So the SU sets a "fair market price" and will only pay that — or at least "recommends" it to the corporation in charge of a particular expedition. On Quall, that corporation backed up that price with force. It's a price the SU can't afford to exceed and the colonies can't afford to get because, locally, the value of those goods has skyrocketed as they exhaust them, either by using up rare resources of by being unable to produce more without further investment.

The "abandonment" phase comes when a colony's resources have become worthless on the market because other, newer colonies are better at producing those resources. That means older colonies can't trade the goods they have for the goods they need. The Free Colonies have started setting up a parallel economy, the existence of which is a direct threat to the SU's power structure. It will have (is having? How's this going on Orion 6?) the effect of increasing the prices of the goods the SU needs because there are other buyers — other colonies. That's a direct threat to the SU's ability to continue to feed its people.

The Ijad factor into this because the only thing stopping them from being like the SU is an ethic that hasn't been challenged for millennia. The last time they had an emperor-like entity, it went very badly and they learned the lesson. No one has been able to succeed at such a venture since due to their religious prohibitions that just keep such ideas from ever catching on — until the colonists showed up on their doorstep. Let's see how long their resolve lasts. What they want is to be as big a pressure on the SU as the SU is on them so it simply goes elsewhere. That means establishing colonies in other solar systems...

Transit gates are like little colonies, yeah. Think of them as port towns; reliant on shipping for all of their goods but those produced by their immediate neighbors. When you use a transit gate to send matter or data to another solar system, it's pretty imprecise. You probably don't exactly hit orbit. And you sure don't want to try to get so precise that you lit atmosphere because who knows what your incoming velocity will be. So you go for moon distance and see what you get. Having another transit gate at the other end makes it far, far more precise. A solar system with a transit gate can bring in materials bound for any body in that system. They take years to build, yes. When a colony is established, it's the first thing a colony has to pay for. They have to feed and equip themselves, too. So they start off in debt, but with the promise of riches of their newfound colony. They start producing to get out of debt, then find the value of their output dropping, and still have to support the colony, its expensive transit gate, populated and operated by locals but policed/defended by the Terran Transit Marines. I'm sure some colonies are now considering scrapping their transit gates for the resources they contain, which furthermore makes attack less practical, but eventually those colonies will be lost to history, unable to even communicate between the stars.

Can't write more now. Sorry, guys! I hope this gives some clarity!
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Re: The Background Thus Far

Postby MittenNinja » Fri Apr 13, 2012 11:43 am


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Re: The Background Thus Far

Postby Joshua A.C. Newman » Sat Apr 14, 2012 12:25 am

Keep in mind, of course, that the fair market price of goods may cause some real tragedy back around Sol.
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Re: The Background Thus Far

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Re: The Background Thus Far

Postby Zero Revenge » Mon Apr 16, 2012 11:29 am

Oh my Goodness, another tidbit of lore! Yes! I am so excited for the book now.

Time to start writing propaganda now, get some support for the men and women who defend our way of life. :P

Edit: Quick little question. The Terran Trade Marines. Are they the "real" military of the S.U.? Or are they just the "force/group" that goes and does the trading on behalf of the Union? The UMFL seems to be more of a catch-all. A stop-gap almost, recruiting from all groups to create a (now needed) bigger army to combat the Ijad and Free Colonies, but how do they differ from the TTM?

(Or is it just simply the TTM are from Terra/Earth, and the UMFL are from Mars?)
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Re: The Background Thus Far

Postby Joshua A.C. Newman » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:20 pm

The TTMs are a highly trained force primarily concerned with the defense and policing of transit gates. The Terran Expeditionary Marines are who the SU sends out to forcibly conquer or destroy something. The UMFL is a recruiting system, designed to minimize mass in transit and enforce SU foreign policy on the ground, day-to-day. They started on Mars and the officers (who are also recruiters) still come for the Northern Republic of Mars. UMFL companies often outlast the Martian founders, though; Captain Estar is the head of her company and she's from some other colony altogether. I don't know who the Martian founder(s) of her company was; they're known as Estar's Anvil now.
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Re: The Background Thus Far

Postby Talusmouse » Mon Apr 16, 2012 9:44 pm

I have a question about the colonies. Using real world nations where would you put the current livelyhoods of the Free Colonies, the Ijad Confederacy, the Solar Union, and the solar uion's colonies

The way I see it
SU = The United States (Rich, but not every person is rich)
FC = India (certain areas becoming rich other areas completely poor)
Ijad = ???

Also can there be a fourth "force" or mentality? The "Well the SU are jerks for ruining us but we sucked it up and now these young wipersnappers, the Free Colonies, are just causing more issues for us?" People? I'd love to create a defensive for people who just want to be left alone like when the colony was abandoned by the SU, but they still don't want to be part of the UMFL?
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